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Imagine peering through your telescope and having a wild creature with one Cyclops-like eye looking back at you! NASA’s Spitzer Space Telescope saw just that when it located galaxy NGC 1097, about 50 million light-years away. It has long, spindly arms of stars, and its one “eye” at the center of the galaxy is actually a monstrous black hole surrounded by a ring of stars. Plus, this creature looks to be carrying a smaller blue galaxy in its arms!
The black hole is huge, about 100 million times the mass of our sun, and is feeding off gas and dust along with the occasional unlucky star. Our Milky Way’s central black hole is tame by comparison, with a mass of a few million suns.
“The fate of this black hole and others like it is an active area of research,” said George Helou, deputy director of NASA’s Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. “Some theories hold that the black hole might quiet down and eventually enter a more dormant state like our Milky Way black hole.”
The fuzzy blue dot to the left, which appears to fit snuggly between the arms, is a companion galaxy.
“The companion galaxy that looks as if it’s playing peek-a-boo through the larger galaxy could have plunged through, poking a hole,” said Helou. “But we don’t know this for sure. It could also just happen to be aligned with a gap in the arms.”
Other dots in the picture are either nearby stars in our galaxy, or distant galaxies.
The white ring around the black hole is bursting with new star formation. An inflow of material toward the central bar of the galaxy is causing the ring to light up with new stars.
“The ring itself is a fascinating object worthy of study because it is forming stars at a very high rate,” said Kartik Sheth, an astronomer at NASA’s Spitzer Science Center. Sheth and Helou are part of a team that made the observations.
In the Spitzer image, infrared light with shorter wavelengths is blue, while longer-wavelength light is red. The galaxy’s red spiral arms and the swirling spokes seen between the arms show dust heated by newborn stars. Older populations of stars scattered through the galaxy are blue.
This image was taken during Spitzer’s “cold mission,” which lasted more than five-and-a-half years. The telescope ran out of coolant needed to chill its infrared instruments on May 15, 2009. Two of its infrared channels will still work perfectly during the new “warm mission,” which is expected to begin in a week or so, once the observatory has been recalibrated and warms to its new temperature of around 30 Kelvin (about minus 406 degrees Fahrenheit).
Source: JPL
That companion – they found “The Mote in God’s Eye”!
And, oh, earlier they have captured “The Gripping Hand” too. Niven and Pournelle must be frantic over the prescient use of space commercials! 😮
The companion galaxy, NGC 1097A, does indeed appear to be interacting with the parent galaxy, according to several papers published on this system over the past several years. NGC 1097 also exhibits 4(!) jets apparently aligned with the nucleus, originally detected by Halton Arp and Jean Lorre. These features in addition to the nuclear starburst ring make this a very peculiar system (and a great target for Spitzer).
Torbjorn Larsson OM Says:
July 23rd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
“That companion – they found “The Mote in God’s Eye”!”
Now now Torbjorn – worry about the plank in your own eye before you concern yourself with the mote in God’s! 🙂
What a fantastic photograph. Well said Torbjorn. There aren’t enough classical s.f. allusions on this site and goodness knows there’s ample scope for them. 😉
Astronomers are a lot like children who won’t give up their toys.
Look out for Nereid…counting…3, 2, 1…
Anyway, in the mean time…
“Some theories hold that the black hole might quiet down and eventually enter a more dormant state like our Milky Way black hole.”
Gravity is a linear force, there shouldn’t be different “black holes”, they theoretically should act about the same…but they don’t…hmm?
“The fuzzy blue dot to the left, which appears to fit snuggly between the arms, is a companion galaxy. ”
Could this be a mature quasar, now companion galaxy? Is it possible quasars are ejected from galaxies and then mature into companion galaxies?
“The white ring around the black hole is bursting with new star formation. An inflow of material toward the central bar of the galaxy is causing the ring to light up with new stars.
“The ring itself is a fascinating object worthy of study because it is forming stars at a very high rate,” said Kartik Sheth, an astronomer at NASA’s Spitzer Science Center.”
Of course, the days when astronomers stated stars couldn’t form close in to a so-called “black hole” because of gravity tidal forces and shear have conveniently gone down the memory hole.
The “material”, actually plasma, charged particles, electrons & ions, undoubtedly “flows” faster than gravity can account for, whereas, the electromotive force 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity can easily account for this “flow” towards the active galactic nucleus.
This “ring”, toroidal ring is a common feature of electromagnetic processese.
And stars would have no problem forming as part of recurring Z-pinches as a result of electric current.
Well…you get the picture, a electromagnetic plasmoid accounts for the formations observed much easier than gravity and so-called “black holes” 🙂
Could the 4 jet be produced by multiple black holes in the galaxy’s center? Could that also explain the unusual structures?
While the origin of the jets wasn’t fully discussed in the paper I mentioned, bipolar jets from 2 black holes in the nucleus does seem possible. Rapidly precessing bipolar jets from a single black hole might also be inferred. The paper does mention that one jet seems to occur in (or produce) a HII-free region in one of the arms. Also, the brightest jet exhibits a L-shaped ‘kink’ at its farthest point from the galaxy, a truly peculiar feature! The abstract (and full paper) can be found here: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/bib_query?1978ApJ…222L..99L . While the quality of the images is degraded from the originals published in the (paper) copy of the Astrophysical Journal, figure 1 is perhaps the best of the lot. Btw, two of the jets were originally discovered by Wolstencroft and Zealy in 1975, the third by Arp (1976) and the fourth revealed by Lorre in the 1978 paper I referenced above. Clearly this system exhibits multiple peculiarities, many of which may be due to one or more interactions with other galaxies ( I don’t subscribe to Arp’s quasar ejection interpretation as noted in his 1987 book ‘Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies’).
I should have mentioned before that other interpretations of the jets have been published, including the possibility of them forming as a result of the cannabalization of a dwarf spiral or dwarf irregular galaxy. “A Minor-Merger Interpretation for NGC 1097’s ‘Jets’ ” makes the case for tidal tails as the ‘jets’ origin. Abstract (& paper) can be found here: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/bib_query?2003ApJ…585..281H . In the course of this study a second companion dwarf galaxy, NGC 1097B, was discovered.
Some theories hold that the black hole might quiet down and eventually enter a more dormant state like our Milky Way black hole.
Anaconda:
Err… Anaconda, you are confusing “black holes” with a black whores!
Anaconda:
Err… apartheid ended over 15 years ago.
Anaconda:
Yeah, like err… whenever I flush the toilet, that vortex of water in the toilet bowl “undoubtedly ‘flows’ faster than gravity can account for” and is really due to “the electromotive force 39 orders of magnitude stronger than gravity [which] can easily account for this ‘flow’ towards the [frigging sewer]”! 🙄
Anaconda:
Yeah, I too had a problem with bloody finches — the little feathered bastards totally striped my blackcurrant bushes!
Anaconda:
Anaconda, you are confusing “black holes” with black whores again!
I’m sorry, I should have included “astronomer’s acolytes” when making comparisons to children, some just can’t help making childish comments…because they don’t have anything better to offer.
Better hand that child a rattle…so he doesn’t suck his thumb in public…(it’s too late, he’s been sucking his thumb in public ever since he learned to use the internet…)
Something to add, that is constructive:
“The white ring around the black hole is bursting with new star formation. An inflow of material toward the central bar of the galaxy is causing the ring to light up with new stars.”
Is there another object that Science can compare with the white ring of new star formation in the post’s galaxy?
Possibly, yes.
Hoag’s object is a ring galaxy, that has a central bright galactic nucleus and a ring of blue, hot stars. (See picture of Hoag’s object at the, below, link.)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Hoag%27s_object.jpg
There does seem to be a structural similarity between Hoag’s object and the ring of stars surrounding the galactic nucleus in the imaged galaxy in this post, if on a different scale.
The present galaxy’s ring is attributed to so-called “black hole” dynamics, but what is interesting is that Hoag’s object’s ring is attributed to a totally different dynamic:
“According to Heidi Jo Newberg, associate professor of physics and astronomy at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute: “When we find large groups of stars formed into rings it’s an indication that at least part of our galaxy was formed by a lot of smaller or dwarf galaxies mixing together.”
Could it be that both explanations are wrong, and, rather, both rings are due to a similar cause or process, but at different scales?
This would seem a reasonable possibility.
And could this cause be electromagnetic in nature?
As stated, above, toroidal, ring structures are common in plasma physics, as has been demonstrated in the laboratory and observed around the Sun as a visible toroid during solar maximum and even around the Earth as observed in the Van Allen radiation belts (actually toroidal, plasma current rings).
Similarity in structures often suggests similarity of dynamics or process that form the structures.
Anaconda, when can we expect you to hold a press conference to announce your findings(?). I am really looking forward to reading your peer- reviewed papers on your laboratory results(!).
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Good to see you’re being constructive, Anaconda.
To the best of your knowledge, has any of the following published papers containing a model – of ring galaxies and rings of recent star formation around galactic nuclei – based on this idea?
Alfvén, Birkleand, Bostick, Lerner, Peratt, Scott, Talbot, Tesla.
If so, references please!
I think your blindness to numbers (innumeracy is the technical term, I believe) leads you to make statements like this Anaconda, statements that do nothing more than (once again) destroy your credibility and leave you with lots of egg on your face.
At a very approximate level, a black hole’s sphere of influence wrt disrupting star formation is a few Schwartzchild radii, say the size of our solar system for the SMBH at the heart of galactic nuclei.
Now the distance to the star nearest to us (other than the Sun) is several light-years! And even in very dense star clusters, the distance between stars are many hundreds of au (astronomical units).
You might consider lifting your game, Anaconda, by developing some grasp of the distance scales used in astronomy.
No, it is not possible … unless you wish to propose that that ‘quasars’ is a heterogeneous class. Would you be interested in learning more about this?
To the best of your knowledge, has any of the following published papers containing a model – of rings of recent star formation around galactic nuclei due to “recurring Z-pinches”– based on this idea?
Alfvén, Birkleand, Bostick, Lerner, Peratt, Scott, Talbot, Tesla.
If so, references please!
Anaconda, I think your confusing ring galaxies with barred spirals with an inner and outer stellar ring. Ring galaxies are indeed thought to be produced by dynamical processes (collisions with smaller companions nearly perpendicular to a galaxy’s plane of rotation). Some barred spiral galaxies are known to have inner bars or rings close to the nucleus. The paper ‘Double-Barred Galaxies’ lists 67 barred spirals with either type of inner rings/bars. The paper, with many illustrations, can be found here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0310/0310806v2.pdf . Btw, a 2005 study using the VLT discovered that NGC 1097 does posses an inner bar not oriented with the main outer bar of the galaxy. And nuclear rings have been spotted in other types of galaxies as well. These are well studied phenomena and have a different origin (and scale) than ring galaxies. Also, these rings are many light years removed from direct influence by the central SMBH. The inner bars, along with the outer bars, have been shown spectroscopically to be involved with funneling matter into the nucleus very efficiently. Could you provide any peer-reviewed published papers wrt to a EU interpretation of NGC 1097 specifically?
Some more names to add to the list: Anaconda, Arp, Crothers, Fälthammar, mgmirkin, Ratcliffe, Dave Smith, solrey, Thornhill, Tifft, Ian Tresman, Verschuur, Wolf.
And ‘Talbot’ should be ‘Talbott’.
A 2006 paper describes spectroscopic and optical observations of NGC 1097 describing material streaming from the inner bar down to within 10 pc of the nucleus (and provisionally down to 3.5 pc with HST data). This short paper has many details of gas inflow via the bar(s) of NGC 1097 to its central SMBH. Some cool pics, too :). The paper can be found here: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0310/0310806v2.pdf .
Oops, that link should be: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0602/0602002v1.pdf
Foresight is a great gift. I think I have it……
Btw: Anaconda, since YOU are the one how opposes the current “dogma” (to use your word), it is YOU who must show the proof. So, all your statements need to be “prooved” by you, that is to say, we want to see references. Papers, to be precise. And, indeed, papers actually dealing with your ideas and the topic at hand.
If you bring it up I will comment on your ideas (and will present papers for my statements…).
Just one (two) question(s): What will happen to a plasma if you shut down the source? (And why can I relate this to a black hole?)
“At a very approximate level, a black hole’s sphere of influence wrt disrupting star formation is a few Schwartzchild radii, say the size of our solar system for the SMBH at the heart of galactic nuclei.”
Got any authority for that assertion?
Nereid presents my [Anaconda’s] statement: “Is it possible quasars are ejected from galaxies and then mature into companion galaxies?”
And Nereid responds: “No, it is not possible…”
You know what?
I’ll take Halton Arp’s hypothesis over some nameless commenter’s assertion any day.
Because you know what?
Halton Arp proposed that hypothesis.
You’re a no name bird dogger that has nothing better to do, Nereid.
And yes, I’ll take those names rather than some no name bird dogger.
Jon Hanford, thank you, I’ll take a look the link you so kindly provided.
Jon Hanford mentions “jets”, well, a deep plasma focus does produce jets (see link below):
http://focusfusion.org/assets/animation/Foki1a2.gif
Notice the strong “collapse” of the plasma then the two “jets” in opposite directions along the axial plane.
Yes, “jets” have been demonstrated in the laboratory.
Nereid:
Anaconda:
FWIW: Schwarzschild radius.
Anaconda:
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Then WTF do you call “Anaconda”, Anaconda?
Anaconda, are you serious or are you kidding us?
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This “ring of stars” seems to confirm the hypothesized circumnuclear molecular torus (Antonucci, 1993) but it is in my view just an optical illusion.
We are looking straight in a set of two corkscrewlike arms.
Look here for a comparison: http://www.nrao.edu/pr/2004/ss433corkscrew/
@ Ivan3Man:
Yes, there is some incongruity in my statement about a “no name bird dogger”
I’m sure some would say, “That’s exactly what Anaconda is.”
Okay, but I’m not bird dogging an individual, I’m offering alternative analysis & interpretation of physical objects and processes.
Nereid, offered the thinest of supporting reasons. for saying, “No, it is not possible…”
And as for my request for authority, Nereid likes to constantly inquire about authority — still she makes a sweeping assertion with…you guessed it…no authority.
A Schwarzschild radius is theoretical at best, since no one has ever observed a so-called “event horizon” and…oh…so conveniently, it can’t be even theoretically observed to begin with…that’s why one has never been observed…like I said…so convenient.
In regards to star formation according to the gravity model, it needs a relatively quiet region in which to form, I haven’t read anything about Schwarzschild radius (perhaps somebody can provide some authority), rather, what I have read is about astronomers statin, “stars couldn’t form close in to a so-called “black hole” because of gravity tidal forces and shear”, which has as much to do with the motions of plasma (gas) in a given region as it does with the gravity, itself.
Stars are a result of “Z-pinches”, yes. so multiple stars require multiple Z-pinches or “recurring” Z-pinches.
Too hard for you to understand, Nereid?
Notice, Nereid, had nothing to say about this passage:
“As stated, above, toroidal, ring structures are common in plasma physics, as has been demonstrated in the laboratory and observed around the Sun as a visible toroid during solar maximum and even around the Earth as observed in the Van Allen radiation belts (actually toroidal, plasma current rings).”
And that was the exhibits of already observed & known objects I was comparing to.
You see, basic science: Comparing the unknown to already known objects.
And Nereid was silent to that because she knows as well as I do these objects have already been determined to be plasma phenomenon under the control of electromagnetic forces.
Anaconda:
It is hypocritical of you, on one hand, to demand absolute proof of an “event horizon” observation, but, on the other hand, to insist that “Stars are the result of ‘Z-pinches'”, without providing any bloody evidence whatsoever — Z-pinches require a source of power!
Anaconda:
So are you implying that toroidal ring structures are only observed in plasma physics?
Well, tell that to these creatures here.
Goddamn it — I’ve messed-up that link! When the bloody hell are we going to get a preview/edit facility here, like they now have at Bad Astronomy?!
Now here is the correct link to those creatures referred to above.
Also, here is a link to the physics of bubble rings.
IVAN3MAN, nice video! I like the flip that the dolphin gives the rign at 45seconds.
Of course those toruses are created by Birkeland currents emitted by the dolphins. Let’s not kid ourselves. This hypothesis is so self-evident, it has to be true!
Thanks, ND! It’s amusing to see dolphins amusing themselves.
It would be nice if you could quote the whole of what I said, Anaconda. You see, OilIsMastery/Total Science, for one, was in the habit of quoting out of context (or, in some cases, even worse, deliberately misquoting). It is a very foolish thing to do, because it totally destroys one’s credibility.
Here’s the whole para of mine, that you quoted, Anaconda:
(bold added)
In a different UT story comment, you wrote “You can delude yourself if you want, but I’ll follow the scientific evidence where it leads.”
If that’s so, then why not say “Yes, Nereid, I would be interesting in learning more about why Arp’s idea is not possible, unless one proposes that quasars are a hetereogenous class”?
Now in the interests of following the scientific evidence where it leads, would you mind answering this question for me please?
Here’s a bald Anaconda claim:
And who made this claim? Why “a no name bird dogger that has nothing better to do”! 🙂
So what is the scientific evidence that lead you to this remarkable conclusion Anaconda?
Or is merely asking such a question “bird dogging”?
It would have been very rude of me to comment on it Anaconda, without first having read any material (by Arp, … Wolf) on how rings of recent star formation around galactic nuclei are due to “recurring Z-pinches”.
After all, no point in commenting on morphological similarities if your suggested electromagnetic processes cannot form rings of stars, is there?
Or do you, perhaps, think it is still “basic science” to pursue morphological similarities simply because of such similarities, even in the absence of a demonstration that rings of stars can form by z-pinches?
Anaconda, YOUR references and sources, please? (especially for the ideas you proposed here and not some general things about plasmas)
I find it interesting that EU ‘enthusiasts’ will cite literature from Arp’s body of peer-reviewed published papers as some sort of evidence for the supremacy of ‘Electric Cosmology’. AFAIK, Arp makes no such explicit claims in his papers or books. I’ve read many of Arp’s published papers( from the early 60’s to the 00’s) and several of his books and haven’t seen any mention of EU, Z-pinches, plasmoids, etc. So now EU’ers are proposing some hodge-podge of 2 (or more) unrelated theories as a viable explanation of all observed astrophysical phenomena. Any references to any published papers by Arp specifically mentioning Z-pinches, plasmoids, ‘Electric Universe’ and in what context he uses these terms? I’d be interested in any links to peer-reviewed, published work by Arp himself explicitly endorsing and explaining these processes.
Concerning the “jets” observed in NGC 1097, these too may not be what they seem. In my post above linking to the ‘minor-merger’ interpretation of the “jet”, the authors point out that “neither bremsstrahlung nor synchrotron emission can reproduce the observed SED” and “The jets’ radio to x-ray SED is most consistent with starlight”, not plasma. They note that the jets lack HI and HII and and that “Jets R1 and R2 are not precisely linear structures but slightly curved (ref Arp 1976)”. And the jets are not detected in x-rays or radio frequencies! All these observations add up to make these “jets” totally unlike those seen in M 87, Cen A and 3C 273 and are not likely to be manifestations of bipolar jets from the central SMBH. In fact, the two bipolar “jets” actually intersect several arcseconds from the nucleus of NGC 1097. The ADS link to the paper here: http://adsabs.harvard.edu/cgi-bin/bib_query?2003ApJ…585..281H . After reading this (and a couple of related papers) on the “jets”, the minor-merger explanation seems to fit the observations better than the BH jet interpretation.
IIRC, questions about this were put to self-proclaimed proponents of EU ideas on BAUT Forum’s ATM section … and no one could come up with anything in Arp’s published material! 🙂
That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, of course, but if ardent fans of EU ideas have failed to find it …
Further, Arp’s own non-standard ideas in astrophysics seem to have little, if anything, in common with those of EU proponents.
The same thing, btw, seems to be true of two others who are, it seems, frequently cited by EU proponents, Tifft and Wolf.
Nereid:
Probably their dog ate it…
Jiminy the Cricket says “Show me the money!” Or in this case references and sources.
A recent paper appeared at the arXiv.org site entitled “AINUR: Atlas of Images of NUclear Rings” (link to abstract & full-resolution images here: http://arxiv.org/abs/0908.0272 ) that has a great overview of nuclear rings in galaxies and a numerous examples of such, including NGC 1097. This work presents a great atlas of all known nuclear rings in galaxies that highlight the diversity of nuclear rings and the types of galaxies in which they are found. And no mention of multiple Z-pinches, plasmoids, or other EU ‘phenomena’ :).