Habitable Worlds? New Kepler Planetary Systems in Images
The Kepler mission has discovered two new planetary systems that include three super-Earth-size planets in the “habitable zone,” the range of distance from a star where the surface temperature of an orbiting planet might be suitable for liquid water.
The Kepler-62 system has five planets; 62b, 62c, 62d, 62e and 62f. The Kepler-69 system has two planets; 69b and 69c. Kepler-62e, 62f and 69c are the super-Earth-sized planets. (Read all the details in our full article here.)
The new planets brings the number of confirmed exoplanets to 861. According to the Planetary Habitability Laboratory, there are now nine potential habitable worlds outside of our solar system, with 18 more potentally habitable planetary candidates found by Kepler waiting to be confirmed. Additionally, astronomers predict there are 25 potentially habitable exomoons.
Here is some of the imagery (sorry, but they are artists concepts!), graphs and video used in today’s briefing about the new discoveries, as well as some some from the Planetary Habitability Laboratory:
19 Replies to “Habitable Worlds? New Kepler Planetary Systems in Images”
The nice thing with multiplanetary systems is that Kepler most often is capable to do two independent candidate detections (by transits and by transit differentials due to the planets affecting each other), making validated planets,
This is good, since they retired Tau Ceti f due to the redefinition of the habitable zone this will get us back up to ~ 50 % of stars with known habitables having 2 of them. Mars was surface habitable once, so should count as regards potential. I suspect most systems will have 2 habitables, making us a bit underwhelming as regards biospheres. Oh, well.
Speaking of Mars, another Mars sized Kepler planet. IIRC there are 2 of them, certifying that Kepler can see them for sure.
Would you be able to describe what Earths climate (say preindustrial) would be like if it was in a Mars-orbit? Would the oceans freeze? Thanks.
Earth would have a much slower carbon cycle due to slower silicate weathering, so CO2 will not be removed from the atmosphere so efficiently as is here.
CO2 will then accumulate to make a dense CO2-dominated atmosphere that will, with the greenhouse effect, prevent it from becoming a frozen iceball. You could emit any CO2 there without severely impacting the climate, because the greenhouse effect , unlike here, would be almost saturated.
I suspect (but I am no expert) that if you emit a lot of CO2 in a paleo-Venus that barely offset the H2O greenhouse effect (dominated by H2O there due to being so near the Sun that oceans strongly evaporate under warm temperatures) by almost removing all CO2 thanks to a silicate weathering on steroids, then things will instead turn very nasty.
Cambria era or any period of earths time, for except our time of today. I am not a student of. But you choose a great name ;-)… . Maybe I’ll choose my next name of the “bombardment period” of earths time. Must of been a great sight to see! All that pounding of incoming comets & asteroids splashing/hitting the molten lava earth must of been so great to see.
I find that super_earth has done my work for me, and splendidly too!
The short answer now when the greenhouse effects have been described is that Earth is large and “greenhouse” enough* so the habitable zone of Kasting means “habitable” for a decent time, while Mars was habitable for a short time.
* When you get further out, Earth’s conditions wouldn’t suffice, and you would want to have larger planets with more massive atmospheres.
Thank you for the compliment!
I have a few points to ask you for your opinion:
Do you think also that Venus could actually be INSIDE in the habitable zone, but got an extreme “greenhouse fever” some billion years ago?
I am right that Venus-like planets (planets almost identical to Earth but nearer to the star) are potentially habitable, but very vulnerable to runaway global warming?
Is a Venus-like scenario possible on Earth if there is an extreme global warming event (like the aftermath of a “snowball earth” glaciation, or the warming resulting from burning of almost all fossil carbon in a few decades or centuries) or, thanks to our active plate tectonics and extensive continents and oceans, the silicate weathering feedback will capture CO2 as carbonates before triggering a runaway greenhouse?
Tor…,
I never really gave this too much thought. But off the cuff. Lets say there is a prototype earth in the habitable zone, w/a liquid iron core, w/H2O seas, & the usual etc’s.. . Wouldn’t that earth like planet need a moon to be free from the wide swings?? I would say common sense would say yes for the ‘most’ part would be a ‘yes’. It would need the stability on its axis & the wide swings of the tidal forces & etc’s.. . Another words. Wide weather, seas & ice ages galore. ..take care.
The planet would also need plate tectonics to keep the entire surface of the planet from melting, like it does on Venus every 500 million years.
Yes agreed..
Yes, plate tectonics helps build an oxygenated atmosphere and Earth is marginal. Hence I would expect planets that have the most productive surface biospheres to be larger, with Earth at the tail end.
I don’t think we know that Venus has global remelting episodes? Last I was conversant with the field, the existence of extensive tesserae (presumably older) terrain meant it wasn’t all replaced at once.
Think if we ever ran into other life that we might end up being considered relative weaklings? XD
I find myself unable to ground an analysis in unsubstantiated “belief”, I need to use substantiated trust in relevant uncertainty measures aka groundings for facts (or lack thereof). That said, this was resolved last year IIRC, and the trustworthy response was “likely not”.
Earlier simulations that shows chaotic changes in orbital axis and hence periodical disruptions in climate had made a mistake. The timescales are such that there are long periods of stable climate of 0.5 billion years, more than enough to evolve not only bipedal apes but animals with body plans.
Ok thanks Tor. This came from 1 of my students although I typed his question. They seem to gravitate towards you w/your scientific knowledge. I personally doubt we will know until we see this for ourselves. But who knows, Webb could come to ‘see’ a verifiable conclusion. Thanks for the reply ;-)… …take care.
Amazing, excellent news!
I suspect that we once have two habitable companions: Paleo-Mars and Paleo-Venus. This because:
Mars has evidence of past liquid water in its surface.
Venus could be even colder than Earth given its exceptionally high albedo, if it have not all that nasty CO2 atmosphere that turned in into a super-greenhouse oven…
maybe some Venusians played with coal and oil some billion years ago and paid with their lifes their actions (just kidding, of course! Seriously, Venus maybe was once an habitable planet but much more vulnerable than Earth to extreme climate change due to the lower distance to the Sun and its slightly smaller size that is almost (but not quite) enough to sustain plate tectonics, that here regulate the carbon cycle)
Yes. The question is Venus lost its water before or after life could develop.
Amazing
I feel so amazing. This article have provided a totally new vision for me about kepler system
I guess these are too far away to fire up the public’s imagination enough for the development of an interstellar probe, but then again Gliese 667c doesn’t seem to have caused a stir
I propose to name at least 2 planets as LV-426 and LV-223
The nice thing with multiplanetary systems is that Kepler most often is capable to do two independent candidate detections (by transits and by transit differentials due to the planets affecting each other), making validated planets,
This is good, since they retired Tau Ceti f due to the redefinition of the habitable zone this will get us back up to ~ 50 % of stars with known habitables having 2 of them. Mars was surface habitable once, so should count as regards potential. I suspect most systems will have 2 habitables, making us a bit underwhelming as regards biospheres. Oh, well.
Speaking of Mars, another Mars sized Kepler planet. IIRC there are 2 of them, certifying that Kepler can see them for sure.
Would you be able to describe what Earths climate (say preindustrial) would be like if it was in a Mars-orbit? Would the oceans freeze? Thanks.
Earth would have a much slower carbon cycle due to slower silicate weathering, so CO2 will not be removed from the atmosphere so efficiently as is here.
CO2 will then accumulate to make a dense CO2-dominated atmosphere that will, with the greenhouse effect, prevent it from becoming a frozen iceball. You could emit any CO2 there without severely impacting the climate, because the greenhouse effect , unlike here, would be almost saturated.
I suspect (but I am no expert) that if you emit a lot of CO2 in a paleo-Venus that barely offset the H2O greenhouse effect (dominated by H2O there due to being so near the Sun that oceans strongly evaporate under warm temperatures) by almost removing all CO2 thanks to a silicate weathering on steroids, then things will instead turn very nasty.
Cambria era or any period of earths time, for except our time of today. I am not a student of. But you choose a great name ;-)… . Maybe I’ll choose my next name of the “bombardment period” of earths time. Must of been a great sight to see! All that pounding of incoming comets & asteroids splashing/hitting the molten lava earth must of been so great to see.
I find that super_earth has done my work for me, and splendidly too!
The short answer now when the greenhouse effects have been described is that Earth is large and “greenhouse” enough* so the habitable zone of Kasting means “habitable” for a decent time, while Mars was habitable for a short time.
* When you get further out, Earth’s conditions wouldn’t suffice, and you would want to have larger planets with more massive atmospheres.
Thank you for the compliment!
I have a few points to ask you for your opinion:
Do you think also that Venus could actually be INSIDE in the habitable zone, but got an extreme “greenhouse fever” some billion years ago?
I am right that Venus-like planets (planets almost identical to Earth but nearer to the star) are potentially habitable, but very vulnerable to runaway global warming?
Is a Venus-like scenario possible on Earth if there is an extreme global warming event (like the aftermath of a “snowball earth” glaciation, or the warming resulting from burning of almost all fossil carbon in a few decades or centuries) or, thanks to our active plate tectonics and extensive continents and oceans, the silicate weathering feedback will capture CO2 as carbonates before triggering a runaway greenhouse?
Tor…,
I never really gave this too much thought. But off the cuff. Lets say there is a prototype earth in the habitable zone, w/a liquid iron core, w/H2O seas, & the usual etc’s.. . Wouldn’t that earth like planet need a moon to be free from the wide swings?? I would say common sense would say yes for the ‘most’ part would be a ‘yes’. It would need the stability on its axis & the wide swings of the tidal forces & etc’s.. . Another words. Wide weather, seas & ice ages galore. ..take care.
The planet would also need plate tectonics to keep the entire surface of the planet from melting, like it does on Venus every 500 million years.
Yes agreed..
Yes, plate tectonics helps build an oxygenated atmosphere and Earth is marginal. Hence I would expect planets that have the most productive surface biospheres to be larger, with Earth at the tail end.
I don’t think we know that Venus has global remelting episodes? Last I was conversant with the field, the existence of extensive tesserae (presumably older) terrain meant it wasn’t all replaced at once.
Think if we ever ran into other life that we might end up being considered relative weaklings? XD
I find myself unable to ground an analysis in unsubstantiated “belief”, I need to use substantiated trust in relevant uncertainty measures aka groundings for facts (or lack thereof). That said, this was resolved last year IIRC, and the trustworthy response was “likely not”.
Earlier simulations that shows chaotic changes in orbital axis and hence periodical disruptions in climate had made a mistake. The timescales are such that there are long periods of stable climate of 0.5 billion years, more than enough to evolve not only bipedal apes but animals with body plans.
Ok thanks Tor. This came from 1 of my students although I typed his question. They seem to gravitate towards you w/your scientific knowledge. I personally doubt we will know until we see this for ourselves. But who knows, Webb could come to ‘see’ a verifiable conclusion. Thanks for the reply ;-)… …take care.
Amazing, excellent news!
I suspect that we once have two habitable companions: Paleo-Mars and Paleo-Venus. This because:
Mars has evidence of past liquid water in its surface.
Venus could be even colder than Earth given its exceptionally high albedo, if it have not all that nasty CO2 atmosphere that turned in into a super-greenhouse oven…
maybe some Venusians played with coal and oil some billion years ago and paid with their lifes their actions (just kidding, of course! Seriously, Venus maybe was once an habitable planet but much more vulnerable than Earth to extreme climate change due to the lower distance to the Sun and its slightly smaller size that is almost (but not quite) enough to sustain plate tectonics, that here regulate the carbon cycle)
Yes. The question is Venus lost its water before or after life could develop.
Amazing
I feel so amazing. This article have provided a totally new vision for me about kepler system
I guess these are too far away to fire up the public’s imagination enough for the development of an interstellar probe, but then again Gliese 667c doesn’t seem to have caused a stir
I propose to name at least 2 planets as LV-426 and LV-223